My $120 Pino in Alaska

For our users and readers who prefer English

Moderator: Wildcate

AlaskanPino
Fußgänger
Beiträge: 7
Registriert: Sa Mai 19, 2018 7:20 am

My $120 Pino in Alaska

Beitragvon AlaskanPino » Sa Mai 19, 2018 7:50 pm

Hi everyone. I just joined the Pino family. I didn't even know Pinos existed until about 2 weeks ago when I saw one for sale on my local craigslist (an online sales website maily used for selling used items for those not familiar). It was for sale for cheap ($120) but needs some fixing up.

akpino1.jpg
The whole bike currently.
akpino1.jpg (153.21 KiB) 813 mal betrachtet


The Pino I bought is apparently a Pino 1 which I was able to find out from research on this website. There's sticker on the frame that mentions Washington (state) so I guess someone brought it up from there in the late 90's or early 2000's. The guy I bought it from was at least the second owner so I have no idea of the actual history of the thing.

Unfortunately the fork is completely toast (previous owner hit a curb and wrecked it) so that is the first order of business for me, getting that fixed. It also looks like it's been sitting outside for some time so I am going to replace the chains and shifting cables and other bits. The rear luggage rack is also bent from the crash as well as the handlebars. I managed to bend the bars back into shape but I know their integrity is compromised. I don't plan on using the Pino for touring - just want to use it for around town for now so I can live with the bars the way they are I think for now. I wonder if I can put Pino 2 or Pino 3 bars on it in the future. The frame thankfully seems to be unscathed.

akpinofork.jpg
The current fork (previous owner said he hit a curb)
akpinofork.jpg (99.32 KiB) 813 mal betrachtet


akpinobars.jpg
I bent the bars back into shape mostly. But they are still deformed here and are probably a bit dangerous.
akpinobars.jpg (57.57 KiB) 813 mal betrachtet


It also came with a fairing which I haven't seen on these forums before.

akpinofairing.jpg
An aerodynamic? fairing. Might be useful for keeping the stoker dry?
akpinofairing.jpg (129.91 KiB) 813 mal betrachtet


Anyway I'm having the most trouble sourcing a replacement fork. The bike uses a 1" threaded headset instead of the newer 1 1/8" threadless headsets more commonly found these days. I'm going to ask the local bike shop owner for guidance on sourcing a replacement fork and I figure I'll keep the forums appraised of the status.

Most of what I know about the bike I learned from this thread: http://www.pinoforum.de/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10

If anyone has any links to manuals etc for the bike it would be greatly appreciated. Should I bother reaching out to Hase? I doubt they have much in the way of parts for a 15-20 year old bike. Their website so far has been useless.

EDIT: Added pictures

Benutzeravatar
HeiLabs
Selberplattfußflicker
Beiträge: 24
Registriert: So Okt 23, 2011 10:59 pm
Wohnort: Friedrichshafen

Re: My $120 Pino in Alaska

Beitragvon HeiLabs » Sa Mai 19, 2018 10:22 pm

Hey Alaska0ino,
Welcome here. I think one source could be the manufacturer, Hasebikes himselve. Www.hasebikes.com.
They are mostly really helpful.
Greetings to Alaska, Frank
Alles hat drei Seiten: Eine positive, eine negative und eine komische.

AlaskanPino
Fußgänger
Beiträge: 7
Registriert: Sa Mai 19, 2018 7:20 am

Re: My $120 Pino in Alaska

Beitragvon AlaskanPino » Sa Mai 19, 2018 11:39 pm

Thanks for the welcome Frank!

I talked to my local bike mechanic and he confirmed he can thread a fork for me if I get one in the right size. I am planning on buying a 20" recumbent fork with a 1" (22.2mm) threaded steerer, cutting it down and re-threading it and then welding the steering tab to it. I have the original to model after so it shouldn't be too hard. The new fork would also give the the opportunity to upgrade to disc brakes on the front the future as it has disc tabs. The only hangup is it is not necessarily tandem-rated.

I have also reached out to the manufacturer to see if they have any old stock or parts lists. It would certainly be easier to buy a replacement fork directly from them if the option exists.

Also I just noticed that this bike has handlebars (that steer) in both the front and the rear seating positions. Seems abnormal.

Benutzeravatar
Radfux
Selberrahmendengler
Beiträge: 525
Registriert: Mo Mär 05, 2007 2:06 pm
Wohnort: Plochingen

Re: My $120 Pino in Alaska

Beitragvon Radfux » So Mai 20, 2018 8:12 am

Hey AlaskanPino,
that's real cool, a Pino in Alaska... :mrgreen:
But it looks very wrecked down, so you will need a lot of work to get it back in shape,
so it will be fully safe enough for two people cycling around.
It might get difficult to get the parts where you live, so maybe the best thing is really
to contact Hase directly and tell them your needs. They are always open to such topics,
especially if it's not ordinary stuff (sometimes they are unfortunately a bit strange if
the tech-freaks of our community tell them, how bad some parts are designed on their
newest, very expensive tandems...).
Here in Germany there are many good dealers knowing the Pino in every detail, but of
course for such an old model, it even will become difficult to get support of them.
But maybe, if you have special questions, it's always a good try to publish it here in this
Pinoforum, because the specialists among us might know what to do and how you could
get support on specific items.
Also you can get into contact directly with these guys by using the PN function (personal
message). So if you check the entries and see that somebody has posted technical topics,
you could contact him directly.
Good luck and share the progress of your refurnishment of this great Pino,
Stefan.

Benutzeravatar
HeiLabs
Selberplattfußflicker
Beiträge: 24
Registriert: So Okt 23, 2011 10:59 pm
Wohnort: Friedrichshafen

Re: My $120 Pino in Alaska

Beitragvon HeiLabs » So Mai 20, 2018 11:54 am

Yes steering handlebars for stoker and captain are weird.
Normally just the captain, sitting in the back can steer, the stoker has non stearing handlebars below his seat.
as for the fork: I‘d highly recommend to look for the hasebikes spinnergrind 1, reinforced. Your stoker will love you for that, because he/she sits just on top of the front wheel. I don‘t know wether the spinner grind fits for the pino 1, but hasebikes will know.

I totally like your project of rebuilding the pino, because it‘s a wonderful bike to drive two by two. For my wife and me it‘s always like having a short vacation.

Sincerely
Frank
Alles hat drei Seiten: Eine positive, eine negative und eine komische.

KUHmax
Selberrahmendengler
Beiträge: 150
Registriert: Mi Sep 20, 2006 2:03 pm
Wohnort: München

Re: My $120 Pino in Alaska

Beitragvon KUHmax » Mi Mai 23, 2018 8:17 am

Hi AlaskaPino,
also welcome to the forum from me.

As you asked for the fairing: It is the old version of HP Velotechnik Streamer. I own one myself as well as a Pino1 which is still in use with my Granddaughter. Unfortunately, I do not have pictures so I cannot show you how it looks like when used. It is a good solution not only to keep the stokers dry but also to protect them from cold wind below 15° C. This is very useful for children as well as adults as they sit there in full wind.

I bought a fork some years ago from Hasebikes when a friend of mine broke it on a "racing ride" with his son as a stoker. But he also organized the exchange so I do not know which type it was.

BW, the stoker handle bars with my Pino 1 do not steer, merely an additional rim brake for the back wheel is mounted there.

I wish you the best rides with your Pino.
Regards, Karin
Ohne Auto lebt sichs einfacher

AlaskanPino
Fußgänger
Beiträge: 7
Registriert: Sa Mai 19, 2018 7:20 am

Re: My $120 Pino in Alaska

Beitragvon AlaskanPino » Do Mai 24, 2018 8:42 am

I wrote to Hase and got a few responses. I requested any information they had - manuals, specifications, etc. - on the Pino 1 (which they referred to as the Pino 2000) and got a few things back. Unfortunately they said their server died last year and they lost a lot of the old information. Of course all the manuals are in German so I still have to run them through google translate still to see what they say. My favorite part so far though is this illustration. Not sure how popular "Calvin and Hobbes" is in Europe but it was a great comic here.

pino_calvin_hobbes.png
pino_calvin_hobbes.png (12.74 KiB) 758 mal betrachtet


They also said they would forward my request on to the USA division (I didn't even realize there was one: http://www.hasebikesusa.com/) so we'll see if they have anything else to offer.

I had also asked about spare parts and Hase said they no longer have any forks for the Pino 1 but they do have handlebars so I'm following up with them about the bars.

I appreciate all the responses so far. You guys are great. Thanks for confirming the stoker steering is weird. I may remove it in the future as it seems a good way to get your fingers pinched. And from what you told me about the fairing it seems like it's ideal for the climate I live in so that's a plus. Glad it came with the bike.

I looked around for 22.2mm (1") steerer Spinner Grinder forks but they seem to be like hen's teeth - nonexistent. To fit the 25.4mm Spinner Grinder fork I'd have to change out my headset but I don't think that is going to be possible. The outer diameter is only ~35mm and I don't think that kind of headset exists - there's simply not enough clearance once you get the bearings in there. Still, I'll hold off on my fork plan for now until I talk to the USA division. It would be nice to have a suspension fork.

Benutzeravatar
Martin63
Selberplattfußflicker
Beiträge: 20
Registriert: Mo Sep 05, 2016 4:50 pm
Wohnort: Ratingen

Re: My $120 Pino in Alaska

Beitragvon Martin63 » So Mai 27, 2018 9:29 pm

Great project! l‘m sure you‘ll enjoy cycling with a partner very much once the restoration is completed.

And my wife and I just love Calvin & Hobbes, what a great illustration. Difficult to say if it is a good choice to have Hobbes as the captain, as Calvin on the front seat I probably might be scared pretty soon =:O .

All the best, Martin

Benutzeravatar
Radfux
Selberrahmendengler
Beiträge: 525
Registriert: Mo Mär 05, 2007 2:06 pm
Wohnort: Plochingen

Re: My $120 Pino in Alaska

Beitragvon Radfux » So Mai 27, 2018 9:55 pm

Calvin-1.jpg
Calvin-1.jpg (188.56 KiB) 726 mal betrachtet


Calvin & Hobbes are legendary even here in Good Old Germany :mrgreen:


Calvin-2.jpg
Calvin-2.jpg (119.39 KiB) 726 mal betrachtet

AlaskanPino
Fußgänger
Beiträge: 7
Registriert: Sa Mai 19, 2018 7:20 am

Re: My $120 Pino in Alaska

Beitragvon AlaskanPino » So Jun 03, 2018 4:01 am

Wow, I didn't realize Calvin And Hobbes was so well known. That's awesome. It's such a great comic. Wish gas was $8 a gallon here but alas it's only $3.70 and everyone drives huge trucks :shock:

After talking more to Hase it looks like I will be proceeding with the rigid fork plans I outlined above. I just haven't found a good alternative. Also I'll be sticking with the original bars I have for now. New bars are almost $200 which is more than I paid for the bike so far. I asked about upgrading them to the bars used on the Pino 3, but Hase claimed the newer bars aren't compatible - but they were talking about the headset. I'm not sure I agree. I'll have to research it more. I figure if I dish out money for new bars I'd like them to be the new ones as they are more adjustable than the Pino 1 bars.

I took apart the front wheel hub last night and I'll need new bearings. They were rusted - probably from sitting outside so long. A little pitting in the race but I think the hub is serviceable. I'm more worried what I will find when I take apart the Sach's 3x7 rear hub. I've never seen anything like that before. Seems weird to combine an internal gear hub with a dérailleur. :?: Crazy Germans! :mrgreen:

Things will probably move slowly over the next few months as I'll be heading on a few vacations but I'm aiming to have this thing ride-able by the end of summer.

AlaskanPino
Fußgänger
Beiträge: 7
Registriert: Sa Mai 19, 2018 7:20 am

Re: My $120 Pino in Alaska

Beitragvon AlaskanPino » So Jul 01, 2018 7:30 am

New fork arrived yesterday. Found out it was threaded far enough down that I didn't have to add any threads. Took it to the local bike shop anyways to get cut to the appropriate length, get the crown race removed and also to pick up some ball bearings for the front wheel.

The fork was about $60 shipped and I spent another $10 at the bike shop for the aformentioned services and materials. All in the Pino has now cost me $120+60+10 = $190 so far.

Next I sawed the steering tab off the old fork. Going to pass it to a local welder to weld it to the new fork. While he's doing that I will finish replacing the bearings in the front wheel and start tackling the rear wheel. Or I might go kayaking intstead :D

ak_pino_old_fork.jpg
The old fork with the tab sawed off
ak_pino_old_fork.jpg (104.55 KiB) 619 mal betrachtet


Unfortunately the crown race was stuck on pretty hard and got slightly deformed when taking it off the old fork. The race itself is OK but the dust ring looks damaged. Hopefully it won't interfere with the operation.

ak_pino_new_fork.jpg
The new fork which will get the tab welded to it
ak_pino_new_fork.jpg (83.82 KiB) 619 mal betrachtet

Benutzeravatar
Bluepino
Selberrahmendengler
Beiträge: 231
Registriert: Mo Sep 17, 2007 1:38 pm
Wohnort: Kleinostheim
Kontaktdaten:

Re: My $120 Pino in Alaska

Beitragvon Bluepino » Di Jul 03, 2018 10:01 am

Hey Alaska Pino,

we have 3 Pinos two of them Pino 1,
and I have to look for a Fork at may spares, I should have original Fork and other things if yes, you can have it, may Exchange for the streamer (and $ Balance)

An old friend of mine lives in Whitehorse, we could get in Contact with PN, if you are interested in something also Informations....,

By the way, my (Charity Project)- Tibetpino (ex "Globecyclers.de"-frame) goes on tour next week again and should virtually have reached Indonesia in the meantime :wink:

Look Armada: http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Q9cuhGuIRoI/Sg-i67U1yjI/AAAAAAAAEkc/Y-IgSnyTEe8/s400/TibetPinkunBluepino%20%282%29.JPG, we still us it nearly every day the pink on to distribite 400 new papers on Sundays...very effective.
always blue skies Manfred (HPV-Mitglied) Fragen an mich: mste200839"ät"aol.com

AlaskanPino
Fußgänger
Beiträge: 7
Registriert: Sa Mai 19, 2018 7:20 am

Re: My $120 Pino in Alaska

Beitragvon AlaskanPino » Do Jul 12, 2018 8:39 pm

Hey bluepino,

Thanks for the offer but I'm already well on the way to getting this fork made. I dropped it off at my welder's last week; I'm going to be out on vacation for the next two weeks and it should be done when I get back. Luckily it's such a small job my welder said I could pay him with cookies :)

Unless something goes horribly wrong with the welding I should have a functional fork at that point, but if I don't then maybe I'll follow up on your offer!

That's a pretty awesome bicycle fleet you've got going on there. I hope my own fleet will rival that at some point :mrgreen:

Update on the work so far: I finished replacing the front bearings. Have some new cables coming in the mail. Going to have to redo all the shifter cables. The brakes are hydros so I'm hoping not to touch them except to replace the fluid. Checked the old chain and it's still OK but I might buy a new one anyway. Not going to have time to work on the project again till next month but still hoping to have it functional by the end of August. Fingers crossed.

Benutzeravatar
Bluepino
Selberrahmendengler
Beiträge: 231
Registriert: Mo Sep 17, 2007 1:38 pm
Wohnort: Kleinostheim
Kontaktdaten:

Re: My $120 Pino in Alaska

Beitragvon Bluepino » Fr Jul 20, 2018 8:16 am

T
P_20180718_182035.jpg
P_20180718_182035.jpg (734.43 KiB) 356 mal betrachtet
I found it and will keep it for you...
always blue skies Manfred (HPV-Mitglied) Fragen an mich: mste200839"ät"aol.com

AlaskanPino
Fußgänger
Beiträge: 7
Registriert: Sa Mai 19, 2018 7:20 am

Re: My $120 Pino in Alaska

Beitragvon AlaskanPino » Fr Aug 10, 2018 8:25 pm

Thanks again Bluepino but I got back from my vacation and my local guy had welded that tab on my new fork successfully. Looks pretty good. It would be hard to tell it's not original except for my cheap paint job.

fork_tab_welded.jpg
fork_tab_welded.jpg (139.68 KiB) 121 mal betrachtet


With that being done I went ahead and finished greasing up the rear hub and started re-assembling the beast. I got far enough to do a short test ride with my wife. She said it was like riding a roller coaster! I guess that's good :)

pino_assembled.jpg
pino_assembled.jpg (282.05 KiB) 121 mal betrachtet


There's still a lot to do. I want to disassemble and grease the bottom brackets and also the pedal bearings and the front freehub (looks like I will need a special tool). Then I have to get a new chain for the front crank and still need to bleed the brakes. Still it's looking like an actual bike at this point. Exciting times!


Zurück zu „The English Part...“

Wer ist online?

Mitglieder in diesem Forum: 0 Mitglieder und 2 Gäste